One of the most frequent questions we’ve gotten since we traded in our MINI Cooper for a Class-B Winnebago Travato van conversion was – do we flat tow the van behind our motorhome?
And nope, the Dodge ProMaster chassis is not flat towable.
And our bus conversion really isn’t meant for towing much of anything – we weren’t comfortable with something too much heavier than the MINI due to the airplane like design of the GM 4106.
After getting the bus to its homebase in Arizona, we knew there would be limited miles that we’d need to move both the bus and our vehicle in the future. We would be southwest based during our bus-seasons.
So flat towing became less of a priority in selecting our next vehicle. We could easily convoy the two when we wanted both with us.
Which opened the door to… anything.
While we fantasized about a Telsa as our daily driver off our boat and bus, we decided that a van conversion would be practical as a shuttle craft across country. No more quick repositioning with hotel says in pet friendly rooms.
So, how has convoying two RVs been?
First, a quick video recap:
Advantages of Convoying
We’ve now done about 1500 miles of convoying the bus and van. Chris drives the bus, and me the van.
The first major trip from Austin to Benson this past fall was much quicker than we planned, but circumstances necessitated it so Chris could attend his grandma’s funeral.
850 miles in 3 days.
And then we had a round trip out to Quartzsite and Lake Havasu City (which will be more our typical winter convoys going forward) for the Xscapers events – 350 miles each way.
And it’s gone much better than we ever anticipated.
Here’s some of things we love about convoying:
- Alone Time. We get some alone time which is great for folks who generally spend 24/7 together in a small space. It’s kinda fun to meet back up for a lunch date or overnight together after the day apart.
- Musical Choice. We can listen to whatever we want to – podcasts, music or silence. And at whatever sound level we like.
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Keeping Driving Skills Sharp. I love driving our boat, and do so more than half the time. But I actually dislike driving vehicles – so Chris usually defaults to most our miles. The van is pretty easy to drive and forcing myself to drive more is a good thing.
- Social Media. It’s easier to get photos and videos of our vehicles in motion.
- Tax Advantage. Because we have an established tax home base (bus or boat) – we can actually write off some of our van expenses when traveling to events and/or doing mobile internet testing. This is much more questionable when traveling in your tax home base. (Please consult with your tax advisor for further information.)
Disadvantages of Convoying
Here’s some of things we have to adapt to from our normal style:
- Planning. We have to plan our routes in advance a bit more – we won’t have a navigator on board to do in-route re-routing. We use our phones and/or walk-talkies to communicate – but we find just planning frequent stops at most rest areas is great to check-in, sync our routing and stretch our legs.
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Re-fueling. The bus and van have very different re-fueling needs. While the van has the best fuel economy of all our vessels at 15-18 MPG gas, it only has a 24 gallon tank. The bus gets about 7.5 MPG diesel but has 140 gallons on board. Which means the van needs much more frequent fuel stops. When traveling in places where gas stations can be 50-100 miles apart – this does require a bit of extra thinking.
- Extra Fuel Cost. And of course there’s the extra fuel cost of moving two vehicles. The van’s superior fuel economy does help. Between gas being cheaper than diesel, and getting more than double the MPG, it’s not that much of a hit. But it is a hit – but at least we get to write off some of those van miles (see above).
- Off-Duty. We’re used to the non-driver being able to work some while underway. When we’re both driving, we’re both not working. Thankfully, we have any amazing staff at the Mobile Internet Resource Center – and they’re awesome at keeping on top of things for us. And it’s really taught us to trust in them more – and has actually enabled us to take more time away from the keyboard in general so far this year (thanks team!).
Overall
Overall, having two RVs has been pretty darn awesome. Besides the convoying we’ve found some other advantages:
- We travel with a guest house. It’s super cool to have friends and family able to visit us, and put them up in a completely self contained guest house. My mom actually got to have her very first night in an RV when she came to visit us!
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Satellite Office. While we have a sweet dual desk setup in our bus conversion (which has been oh so nice to be back to!) – we also have a sweet setup in the van. Having separate office spaces has been super handy – especially when Chris needs to do signal testing, or I am doing video production.
- Mobile Hotspot. We are currently testing out the Pepwave MAX Transit Duo router sent to us by MobileMustHave.com with several different antenna combinations (that’s our work life). It’s been super handy to keep the testing isolated and installed on the van. But keeping the van close to the bus as our ‘mobile hotspot’ with the best internet connection we currently have setup.
- No Campground Concerns… yet. We were concerned if we’d have a problem technically parking two RVs on one campsite. But so far, as long as we’re clear the van is our daily driver and not being used as an RV – every campground we’ve stopped at has been completely cool. In fact, one reason we selected a van conversion as our second RV was because the bylaws at the SKP Saguaro Co-Op park specifically allow a Class-B used as a daily driver to be parked on our lot in addition to our primary RV.
But of course the biggest struggle is for Kiki.
She has to decide each day which house and human she is riding with.
And she honestly seems to love all three of our vessels.
She’s truly an awesome nomadic cat.
Real Time Update:
We have now stored our bus at our co-op park in Arizona until later this year, and have just arrived by van to the RVillage Rally in Live Oak, FL after a way too quick 2000 mile trip across country.
We’re looking forward to an amazing event, some time with family next week and then returning to our boat by the first of March!
Brett says
Great insights, I had thought about this but haven’t seen many people do this. One question, if you had a new diesel pusher, would you consider towing a small class B rv? It would seem you could have virtually all the benefits of both worlds in that way.
Cherie Ve Ard says
Our van isn’t flat towable, and nor are we interested in a new diesel pusher.
Sherry says
I loved your post. It makes total sense to caravan. Kiki gets to chose the best of both worlds and you each have some time to listen to music, or just enjoy being by yourself. Thanks for sharing and Enjoy !!!
Patty Sedlacko says
I’ve wondered how you guys would pull off the logistics of the two land vehicles, and now you’ve explained it very well! Also thank you for all the testing you do and all the information you share.
Ah, Kiki! I just love that kitty!
Happy Travels
Nikki P. says
Wow! That takes some serious planning and logistics! Impressive and inspiring. And equaling inspiring is how flexible Admiral Kiki remains, overseeing her fleet and her beloved staff. What a trooper! Thank you for continuing to share your discoveries and insights with us. Safe travels wherever and however you may roam!
Also condolences to Chris on the passing of his grandmother. â¤ï¸
Wayne Dyer says
I’ve tried to keep up with your commentaries and wish I could be around you guys in the winter months in the deserts . Keep up the works. I love the bus you have. Great for many occasions. Drove that bus in service for passengers years ago. Drove for Greyhound many years,so I’m familiar with operations of that and newer buses. I had dreams years ago to convert a double decker senicruiser but that was just a dream. Learned that that frame may not be nice in places you want to go to. It is easier to high center the bus in road service in hilly desert regions,so may not work out. The 4106 may get by easier,have you looked at yourselves on the roadways as to how close the center of your bus works against the hills? Might surprise you how close to the road the bottom of bus gets to roadway. Your bus seems to stay above roadway no matter how hilly it gets,but I bet you have thought of it now and then as if you can stay above roadway in rougher roadways. Just don’t hi center the bottom of middle of the bus, you will have a rougher time with the tow truck pulling you out. Enjoy the life out there, it’s a lot better than the big city life any day of the week.
judilyn says
We fulltimed with a 40-foot Mountain Aire and an 18-foot fully-appointed Sportsmobile for many years, and loved it for many of the reasons you state. The extra gas was never an issue since we didn’t need to invest in towing equipment on either vehicle. Loved having our “amenities” with us on day trips, or even overnights, away from the main rig.
Virtual hugs,
Judie